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WEED KILLERS - Post Emergent Herbicides - Pre Emergent Herbicides

What's the difference … does it matter?

Introduction/ Post Emergent Herbicides

In a landscape setting, that is, your lawn, your beds, maybe even your vegetable garden, chemical herbicides can be used to control weeds. Proper use of herbicides can make your 'weed control' life a little easier, but you should always use products exactly as specified. More is NOT better. All herbicides interfere in some fashion with a plants ability to grow, usually either by interfering with the photosynthesis process or by curbing root growth.

There are a couple of things you need to determine before you buy or apply any herbicide. First determine just what it is you are trying to eliminate, then can you determine which product is best to use. You need to match the type and kind of herbicide with the type and kind of weeds that you want to eliminate. You also need to know if any herbicides that are applied will affect any plants in the surrounding area. Read the labels or ask professional advise if you're not sure.

Post emergent herbicides are applied 'after' (post) the weed is up and growing.

Pre emergent herbicides are applied 'before' (pre) the weed begins to grow. That is, they prevent the seeds from germinating into a new plant.

The most common post emergent herbicides on the market today contain 'glyphosphate.' These products are sprayed directly on the foliage of growing, healthy weeds. They begin to work as soon as the chemical is absorbed into the plants system, although it may take as long as a week or two, before the plant totally dies. You will notice the tops of the weeds turning brown, but the weed is not totally dead, until the roots are killed, as well.

If you add a surfactant or spreader-sticker as it is sometimes called, to your spray mix, it will adhere to the leaves more evenly and help the product along. I add this faithfully, more so as a habit, as it is only really necessary for plants with shiny, smooth foliage where the chemical may runoff more readily or when there might be a chance of rain before the chemical dries. When added to your mix, not only will it do what I just mentioned, but it prevents waste of the product. I, also add a touch of liquid fertilizer in the tank mix when I spray. Don't laugh it works! You will see why when you read on.

Glyphosphate based weed killers may take as long as a week to ten days before you notice any kind of visual results, and you may think that it is not working, but it is. Spraying glyphosphate based weed killers on grass-like weeds and on lawn grasses will show the quickest results. Soft stemmed, shallow rooted weeds and grasses are usually the easiest kinds of vegetation to spray and kill with these products. But it also works on woody stemmed, and/or deep rooted weeds and vegetation, like briars, poison ivy and thistle, it just may take longer, and may even require another spray application, before they are totally eliminated.

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Common mistakes, misconceptions and tips for use.

Several common mistakes that people make when using glyphosphate based products are due to the fact that they do not understand how these products work.

First of all, there is an optimum foliage height at which any vegetation that you are trying to kill should be at and that is somewhere between 4"-12". Spraying at this recommended height will assure that enough of the chemical is absorbed into the plant and its roots. This is not to say that it won't kill anything shorter or taller than this, only that these general heights are recommended. If the vegetation is too short, allow it grow somewhat if possible, if it is too tall cut it back to the proper height first. If the vegetation is woody, cut it back to the ground and allow a flush of new growth to reach the proper height before spraying.

This brings us to the second mistake people often make. Spraying when the temperature and growth cycle are less than ideal. Spraying to kill weeds, when you happen to have the time, doesn't always yield the best results, because the vegetation must also be actively growing. This will not only assure a guaranteed kill, but a quick one. I know for a fact ,that there are people out there who think that these sprays aren't working quickly enough or who think that they are not working at all and continue with repeated sprays to the point of saturation and runoff. This is a waste of the product. There isn't any need to spray to the point of runoff. What you need to understand is, that there is also an optimum temperature at which all plants actively grow and/ or slow down their metabolic process. Haven't you ever noticed how in the Spring of the year, the grass in your lawn just seems to grow thick and lush and the darn mower won't start, and as soon as the heat of Summer is here the grass growing slows down, the mower runs great. When the cooler temperatures of early Fall arrive the grass begins to grow lush again. Well this is the answer, certain plants, and weeds, grow better during different seasons, hot and cool. If you're set on spraying off weeds, or grass, in mid-summer, and the conditions aren't ideal, there is no need to fret, you just need to trick the plant into growing. Go ahead and spray, wait a day and then go out and water the area or even fertilize it. What will happen is simple. Your plants will begin to grow and as they do they will absorb more and more of the chemical into their systems until they are dead. Aren't we nasty!

A frequently asked question, for those concerned with chemical use, is… what happens to the extra product that misses the plants/weeds and hits the soil surface? Glyphosphate based products work as a result of absorption into the foliage and internal system of the plants, they only kill plants they are sprayed on. When it comes into direct contact with the soil, glyphoshate is readily broken down by soil microorganisms and will not sterilize or contaminate the soil as some weed killing products do. In fact, as it breaks down in the soil, it nourishes soil bacteria.

This is one big difference and benefit in using glyphosphate based products… they do not sterilize the soil. Careful selection of herbicide products must be made because there are products that do prevent anything and everything from growing in soil that has been treated. Great care must be taken when using these types of soil sterilizing products.

A third mistake people tend to make, and this is a biggy, is that they jump the gun. Just because the top may look dead, doesn't mean that the bottom is. Remember some plants like pigweed, thistle and crownvetch ( by the way I consider this a first class weed) have extensive deep root systems. Premature digging or tilling can readily regenerate underground plant parts. If you start to work the soil too soon, then you will have big problems if you planted the area with ornamentals and even bigger ones if you planted with a groundcover. Besides giving the sprayed area plenty of time to die, learn your weeds, knowing what they are (and how to control them) is just as important as knowing the ornamentals growing in them.

Remember, glyphosphate based products kill whatever they are sprayed on, so care must be taken to only spray the weeds and not your plants, annuals or perennials. Trees with thick bark are generally not harmed, but young trees with soft, unhardened bark such as young Dogwood, Locust, Linden, etc... can absorb this chemical through their bark and you may kill or damage the tree. Spray around your trees and shrubs but do not spray their bark directly.                                        Top 

I can't begin to tell you of all the people throughout the years that have bought this product, used it and then told me it doesn't work. Of course, upon cross examination, I came to find out, as I had already known, that it did kill the weeds… and more of the same weeds did come back. Let me say it again, THIS IS A POST-EMERGENT HERBICIDE. This product will kill any existing weeds or vegetation you spray it on, but it will not kill those little things that fall from the top of the plants, I believe they are called 'seeds.'

Weeds are just like any other plants, there are many different kinds and they have many different bloom seasons, and when you have flowers, you have seeds. Some weeds drop seeds that germinate right away, in the same season, others drop seeds that lay dormant until the following year. So you will find that many weed seeds that have been dormant during the winter season will germinate and burst into growth in the Spring like everything else, in your lawn, your garden, your beds and anywhere else they happen to be. Seeds…Now you need to think about a pre-emergent herbicide.

 

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Winter Weeds

In climates with a long dormant winter season, you may notice that there are some weeds that stay evergreen throughout the winter months, like chickweed, ground ivy and clover, which are considered broadleaf weeds and can be very invasive. Another cool season weed, Henbit, is similar to ground ivy and is distinguished by it's 4-sided stems, this can show up in late winter and take over quite rapidly. Late Winter / early spring spraying of these types of weeds can get you off to an early start with your weed control. If they are growing in beds where other plants are dormant, you can spray them without fear of damaging your dormant plants.

Some other troublesome cool season weeds are wild onion and wild garlic. Wild onion has no bulblets at it's roots and the leaves or stems are not hollow. Wild garlic has tiny bulblets at the root base and the leaves are hollow. Pulling either of these out only increases their production, they must be dug out or sprayed with repeated applications of glyphosphate until they are gone. Never allow them to flower or seed will be set and you will have a real problem.

As a perennial grower for many years and in a climate where the Winters can be long, one way I have found to get a head start on my weed control is spraying them in the middle to late Winter with a glyphosphate product. I generally do this on a warmer day, when the temperature is above 40 degrees, but only when the perennials are still dormant under the soil with no sign of visible growth. These cool season weeds are generally noticeable in late Fall, but I much prefer to allow them to grow throughout my field beds for the Winter. The reason is, they help prevent heaving of any plants that may not be that well rooted in, (the weeds act as a layer of mulch on the ground surface.) I wait for a warm spell in late winter, early spring and then spray them. This is much easier than trying to spray around the growing plants later. After all, I know I am not in a big hurry for them to die, so once I spray them, I know that they will die off before my plants start to grow.

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Pre-emergent herbicides can be applied almost any time of the year. In simple terms these pre- emergent herbicides, work by forming an invisible chemical barrier on the soil surface that prevents the weed seeds from germinating. The best advice for applying pre emergent herbicides is to do it last. Do it after you have planted your plants, applied mulch or after any hand weeding. If the area is disturbed after applying pre emergent herbicides and the barrier is broken, weed seeds will grow.

Pre emergent herbicides are not all the same either, you need to read the label and follow the instructions carefully. Some only need to be broadcast over the surface area, while others need to be worked into the upper few inches of the soil. Almost all will require rain or some form of irrigation to activate them and to create that invisible barrier that prevents the seeds from germinating. Often, especially when there is more than one kind of weed or there is a mixture of both broadleaf and grass weeds, a combination of two different pre-emergent herbicides will be needed for control.

There are broad spectrum pre-emergent herbicides on the market, and they will take care of many common weed seeds, but as I said before, there is not one product that will take care of everything. You may still have to pull or spray a few renegade weeds that pop up. Don't put pre- emergent herbicides down in areas where you have any kind of seed crop planted, ie. New lawns, tiny vegetable seeds… you may prevent them from growing, as well. Always check the label, ask a professional or contact the manufacturer before you use a herbicide on areas where you are growing food crops. I think you will find that some may be safe to use, but only up until a certain time, such as before flower set, etc. Be safe not sorry, check it out first.

New lawns generally need to be up and growing, and have been mowed several times and hardened off well before any kind of herbicides are applied, however there is one product that contains a chemical called siduron, that can be applied when the seed is sow that will prevent crabgrass and some other weed grasses from germinating in your new lawn, but it will not help in preventing broadleaf weeds from getting a foothold.

Granular pre emergent herbicides are probably the most common form found, although there are some liquid forms as well. You may already be using some type of pre-emergent herbicide, and you don't even realize it. They are commonly found in bags of crabgrass control products for your lawn and some of these can be used in planting beds also. Just remember that lawn fertilizer/ weed control products are a combination of fertilizers and herbicides, don't apply them to your beds unless you know which herbicides are in them. Some cannot be used both in the lawn and in the beds. If you are not sure, just use them on the lawn. Check the bag label before you sprinkle them into your beds.

Lawn products for crabgrass control contain pre emergent herbicides and should be applied to a dry lawn. They help to prevent the current seasons crop of crabgrass seed from germinating in your lawn. Understanding the seed cycle of crabgrass will help in determining when to apply your product, but a good rule of thumb is to apply crab grass control - when the Dogwoods are in bloom.

Weed & feed products contain post emergent herbicides that target broad-leafed weeds (they will not take care of crabgrass) and they must be applied to a wet lawn, with at least 48 hours of no rain expected, so that the granules can dissolve on and be absorbed into the leaf surfaces. (A good time to apply these is early in the morning, when the dew is still on the lawn.)

Don't buy 'weed killers', without reading the label. There are products for killing weeds, that not only kill the weeds but many also sterilize the soil. If you use a product that sterilizes the soil you won't be planting anything in that area, even the bugs and worms won't want to go there. Be careful with true 'weed killers.' Know what you are using, and what you are trying to eradicate, before you use it.

Herbicide use is somewhat complex because there is not one product that will control every weed, each type is labeled for very specific weed control and needs to be applied under exact conditions. Unless you're a farmer, commercial grower or lawn/landscape professional you are probably not going to find too many products on the shelf in the lawn and garden shop. But there are some good basic products available for home use.

The average yard doesn't warrant the expense of herbicide use, but if you have large areas of planted beds and weeds are a constant problem you might want to check into their use. Don't forget you can always control weeds the old fashioned, simple way - just keep them pulled! If you can't pull them all, at least pull off the flowers or seed heads before they mature and spread. A little diligence in pulling and preventing seeds from developing will reward you with fewer weeds each year.

I think the best advise for people who have severe weed problems, is to hire a professional to help bring them under control, and have them give you some advise as to how to keep them minimized each season. One should try to keep weed problems under control before they become a major problem. Most minor weed problems can be easily handled by the homeowner, without too much difficulty, it just takes a little work.

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Tips for weed control.

For new beds. Consider the virgin ground.
Is it sod (grass), is it old pasture land with a mix of grass and weed cover, is it a thistle patch, briars, saplings?

Don't mow it all down and till it up. Tilling doesn't kill weeds, it chops them up and more often than not, spreads them around and makes more root pieces, it also tills and cultivates the soil, so that any dormant weed seeds that are sitting in that freshly turned earth are then cultivated and ready to grow.

If you are making a new landscape bed in a lawn/sod area, you should first edge the borders of your new bed area. Do this first because, lawn grasses have a spreading root system and the spray will be absorbed into the grass for several inches surrounding the sprayed area. If you don’t cut the roots near where you are going to spray, you may have a brown border next to your new bed where the product killed the adjacent sod.

Don't put pre emergent herbicides down in areas where you have any kind of seed crop planted, ie. New lawns, tiny vegetable seeds… you may prevent them from growing, as well. Many herbicide products may not be safe to use on food crop areas ( ie. your vegetable garden) Read the label before using any weed killing products in your vegetable garden.

 

If your weeds are mixed into your plants, don't spray them… pull them out… by the roots. Great care should be taken to avoid getting sprays onto your plants.

Weeds pull better after it rains. A day or so after a good soaking rain is the best time to pull weeds. They come out root and all, usually. Just remember, Know your weeds… some kinds of weeds, with extensive spreading roots systems, should not be pulled, they need to be sprayed to get all of that underground root system.

Carefully read the label on weed killing products, you don’t want to sterilize the soil for your new flower bed.

There is one odd tip you need to remember. When you spray glyphosphate based products, over areas where you may step or walk though through the sprayed ground. Don't walk on the newly sprayed ground and then take the shortcut over the lawn to the next area you want to work on. You will get the product on the soles of your shoes. There may be enough product residue on your shoes to cause brown patches to occur in your lawn or turf. Size 10 shoe, brown shoe prints will soon show up in your otherwise green lawn.

Adding top soil to your new beds or garden?
We all need to do this sometimes, there is nothing better than a mound of rich, fluffy top soil. BUT… where did it come from? Ask when you order your top soil… new top soil can come from many sources and it always has its own blend of weed seeds mixed in, you might get some weeds you never saw before. Rich, black top soil from bottom land may have hard to eliminate weeds like Quack Grass, Yellow Nutsedge or Barnyard grass. Sometimes you may get wild onion. You may not have your choice of sources for your top soil, but you should keep an eye out for what comes up in it and get rid of it as soon as you can, before it spreads to the rest of your property.

Don't think we are absolute advocates of herbicide use. Chemical free gardening is the best way to go. The more weeds you pull and the more weed seed-heads you remove, the better your chances are of controlling rampaging weeds. But sometimes you might have to break down and use chemicals. Use them sparingly and only when you have to and follow all instructions carefully. There are chemical free methods for weed control, try a few, if you like, that may be all you need.

If you can't pull the weedpull the seed. If you are busy and can't keep up with spraying and pulling weeds out by their roots, at least pull off their flowers, and/or seed heads, until you have time to do more. This helps to curb new seed populations. No flowers, no seeds, no seeds, no weeds. (at least not so many)

One final thought - just what is a weed? All of the plants that we commonly refer to as weeds are named botanical species, that is, they are plants with common and botanical names. They only become 'weeds' when they are growing somewhere we don't want them to. Hey, life isn't perfect, you shouldn't expect your lawn and garden to be either. A weed here and there can be just fine, it gives you something to do as you walk through your garden… pull them.

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